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| Who is the Most Powerful person in the Dragonball Z Universe?; *No Movies | |
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| Mc Esse | Jun 6 2009, 10:28 PM Post #1 |
 
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The title speaks for itself, this is a brief question, which would probably have a very brief discussion if anything. I just wanted to make a short list of who the most powerful fighter is in all of Dragonball Z. I have a hunch that it is Veggeto, followed by Super Buu (who absorbed Ultimate Gohan, Trunks, Goten and Piccolo), followed by Super Buu (after absorbing only Piccolo, Goten and Trunks) then Ultimate Gohan. so a short-list would go: 1.Vegetto 2. Super Buu(after absorbing Ultimate Gohan, Piccolo Goten, and Trunks 3. Super Buu (after absoribing only Piccolo, Goten and Trunks) 4. Ultimate Gohan I just wanted to get this out of the way, because alot of fans seem to think that Kid Buu and Goku are the 2 strongest just because they happen to have the last life threatening battle of the series. If I am wrong, please correct me. |
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| SSJVegito | Jun 6 2009, 10:56 PM Post #2 |
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Umm that about sums it up. But I'm going to go ahead and say Kid Buu is stronger than Gohan. Well not necessarily STRONGER but more of a threat. Super Buu's absorbed forms have more power than any other. Despite this, his original form is the most dangerous, because all traces of good have been removed from him. So I agree but at the same time I'm still up in the air about the last spot. EDIT: Just remembered [in the anime at least] that when Good Buu was ripped out of Super Buu and he transformed Goku said that he was stronger than before. Now this coule be interpretted in many ways as Buu had many forms. But I just interpret it as not as strong as Gohan absorbed but stronger than his other forms. Buuhan is definitely his strongest form. Edited by SSJVegito, Jun 6 2009, 11:01 PM.
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| Deamnr | Jun 30 2009, 07:06 AM Post #3 |
 
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I think its obviouse . Its goku . Couse he pretty much beats every bad guy exept cell . Gohan did that . Actually im going to stick with gohan . Cause he killed cell and after the old kai did that thing. Gohan was a good match against buu untill buu tricked him. So gohan. |
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| TheRisingShadow | Jul 3 2009, 08:48 PM Post #4 |
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For non fused, I think it would go like this. 1. Kid Buu 2. Goku 3. Ultimate Gohan 4. Super Buu |
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| Mc Esse | Jul 3 2009, 08:52 PM Post #5 |
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big mistake, Kid Buu is not the strongest Buu, for starters. |
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| Tenshinku | Jul 3 2009, 09:31 PM Post #6 |
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It should actualy be.... Ultimate gohan Super buu Kid buu Goku |
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| BattleMetal | Jul 3 2009, 10:05 PM Post #7 |
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Mmm? this will all lead to how you view the Pls of the Buus and if your including fusions warriors versus single warriors. Vegito is the absolute strongest fighter in Z. Obviously followed by Buuhan (i like this name makes things easier) and then Buutenks then probably Gohan, Goku then Gotenks. So from this list i would make it like this (havent included some Buus will amend this list later): 1) Vegito (mainly in his SS2 form -read manga. In anime he is super powerful in just his base) 2) BuuHan (Gohan absorbed for power, goten and trunks for moves and Piccolo for tactical mind) 3) BuuTenks (Gotenks abosrbed for power and crazy moves coupled with Piccolos genius) 4) Gohan (after Old Kai gives him the power boost ability) 5) Goku (as a SS3 and is the most experienced fighter with versatile moves and skills) 6) Gotenks (Trunks and Goten fusion dance, as a SS3. Raw power with crazy moves and disregard) im still stuck on the Buu forms, like between Fat Buu, Super Buu, Thin Buu and Kid Buu. So ive not added them to the list yet i always though that Kid Buu was the strongest Buu BUT this changed as i viewed him again and realised that he is weaker than Buutenks. Now however im debating if he is possibly weaker than even Thin Buu BUT the thing that sucks if he is then how weak is the SS3 form then? I prefer to think that he is at least stronger than Super Buu because otherwise the SS3 isnt really much of a power boost (its confusing because one minute Goku says this then says that, then claims that he was just messing with Kid Buu to give Vegeta a crack. Really annoying). Goku as well makes this comment about how he feels that Super Buu is stronger than he and Vegeta. This is annoying again cause he then says Buus chi is actually getting stronger (after they have removed all of the absorbed people and Buu is growing bigger) but when Kid Buu appears they are willing to fight him. What? Fat Buu gets trashed by Thin Buu very easily but puts up a decent fight against Kid Buu. I think that these fights are done with different circumstances surrounding them. Fat Buu i think lost most of his power as it says 'pure innocence cannot win against wrath' (something like that) so most of it was passed onto Thin Buu. When he fought Kid Buu i felt that he retained a decent amount of his power and didnt lose any, plus he wanted to protect Hercule (Mr.Satan) so he had a stronger desire to fight. |
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| Tenshinku | Jul 3 2009, 11:25 PM Post #8 |
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Explain why Gotenks is below goku. Doesn't really make sense if you ask me. |
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| * Psyam | Jul 3 2009, 11:49 PM Post #9 |
 
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They say Buu's chi is growing stronger when he tempoarily shifts into "Buff Buu", this is the form Buu took when he absorbed the strongest of the Kai's. He soon loses his "Buff Buu" form, though, and reverts to Kid Buu instead. That's when he again grows weaker. Goku said he and Vegeta had no chance against Super Buu (no one absorbed), but Goku could of destroyed Kid Buu if he wasn't held back by his living body and could of reached max power as a SSJ3. That alone should solve the matter of Kid Buu Vs. Super Buu. Super Buu is stronger. Evil Buu is probably stronger then Kid Buu, because Mr. Buu put up a MUCH better fight against Kid Buu then Evil Buu. While he did want to protect Hercule, it's possible that when they split the second time, Mr. Buu got more of the overall power then he did the first time. Just a theory. When Goku was talking to Buu, he said a fighter stronger then himself would appear to fight him. He was referring to Gotenks, of course. It can be reasonably assumed that Goku had no idea they would reach SSJ3, so what he said implys that SSJ Gotenks is stronger then SSJ3 Goku, and that SSJ3 Gotenks is quite a bit stronger. This does make sense, as Goku said Super Buu would kill him and Vegeta, but SSJ3 Gotenks was able to fight evenly with Super Buu. My list (and I'm quite confident it's correct) would be: 1."Super" Vegito (I won't include normal Vegito because he wasn't in the manga) 2. Super Buu (Gohan, Piccolo, Trunks and Goten absorbed) 3. Super Buu (Gotenks and Piccolo absorbed) 4. Ultimate/Mystic Gohan 5. Super Buu 6. SSJ3 Gotenks (VERY close to Super Buu) 7. SSJ Gotenks 8. Pure Evil Buu 9. Kid Buu 10. SSJ3 Goku Unfused only, Ultimate Gohan is the strongest fighter by a landslide. I'm not sure about who's stronger out of Super Buu and SSJ3 Gotenks, though. Buu would always win in a fight, but Gotenks may have more Ki. I'll have to watch that fight again sometime. |
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| BattleMetal | Jul 4 2009, 12:03 AM Post #10 |
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I dont believe Goku is is massively more powerful than Gotenks, just a portion stronger, couple that with his battle ability and experience he is a better fighter too. Gotenks had raw talent and was unpredictable as a fighter with a strong confidence in his ability. There is nothing to substantiate Goku SS3 is stronger than Gotenks SS3 as often the information given during the Buu saga is often unclear with a lot of things unsaid. Only thing we can go by is that Gotenks as a SS3 pretty much wiped the floor with Super Buu (fight was like 60% to 40% to Gotenks). Goku while he is inside Buu says to Vegeta that they cant beat Buu as they are. This is only in the anime and could be a translation problem, manga is different. Maybe Goku meant since they where inside Buus body that they could not win. I feel that this is conflcting, if Goku fought against Super Buu he could beat him but this never happened. Once BuuTenks reverts back to just Super Buu (Piccolo form- BuuCcolo i guess??) Goku is more than happy to face him. Its not much but its there. Theres a moment while Gotenks is fighting Buu and Supreme Kai asks Goku 'is it possible that he is more powerful than you as a Super Saiyan 3'. Goku replies 'i dont know but they should win this'. Frustating answer, why not just Yes or No? The Buu saga is one of the worst for keeping things consistent for Pls, i feel that often Toriyama tried to be too clever and ends up tripping over himself along the way. Gokus fight against Fat Buu was used as a stalling tactic, he knew he could defeat this Buu but wanted this generation of heroes to learn to fight without depending on his assistance. I rate Kid Buu as being stronger (more vicous at least) than Super Buu (still not 100% on this though) so thats my other reason for rating Goku higher. PS: Pysam posted just before me. I read through his comments and i feel that it carried some weight. Not changing what i said as its how i felt at the time BUT i am open to Pysams theories. Curious but does Goku really say that their will come a fighter stronger than himself or just a fighter who is really strong? Doesnt prove too much though but he could have still meant that. Edited by BattleMetal, Jul 4 2009, 12:07 AM.
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| * Psyam | Jul 4 2009, 12:31 AM Post #11 |
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Really? I thought for sure it was in the manga as well. Now that is animé only. In the manga, he is no longer worried, but that's because he says "Gohan can beat you now." It doesn't imply he can beat Super Buu, though. I don't think the Buu saga contradicts itself at all, really. The only odd thing is why there is Evil Buu AND Kid Buu. Edit: I'm not sure, it's been ages since I saw that bit...he may have said really strong, but I thought he said stronger then himself. I'm not sure. Edited by Psyam, Jul 4 2009, 12:33 AM.
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| BattleMetal | Jul 4 2009, 12:44 AM Post #12 |
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Ahh your right. Goku doesnt worry anymore cause he knows Gohan is more than strong enough to finish him off. Still i feel like he could have put up a good fight. Youve got me thinking too about your comment about Goku not being able to maintian his SS3 state cause he now had his body back. Yeah i think this is true, i think he can still reach max power but because he flits away with his time and overestimates his abilities he lets it drag on too long to allow him to reach his max. I think thats what i should have said as well in regards to the whole pl states. Its just the whole Pl thing with Kid Buu that messes things up and Goku messing around with SS3 and being alive and dead. Hey you said that SS Gotenks is more powerful than Goku SS3. Wow never though about that, not something im open to though, i just think he had strong unusual attacks (Kamikaze Ghost things) dont think he could last in a fight with Goku SS3 IMO but interesting view. Gohan is the most powerful hero fighter unfused. Kid Buu the most powerful villian unfused. (i think he is stronger than Thin Buu. i just feel like Thin Buu got most of the power from Fat Buu, like 70%, in his fight with him). Edited by BattleMetal, Jul 4 2009, 12:46 AM.
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| * Psyam | Jul 4 2009, 12:50 AM Post #13 |
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I think Gotenks has an extraordinary amount of power because he is a fusion character. Note that everyone commented on his power when he first appeared properly, even though he was only in base form. I think that SSJ Gotenks has a little more power then SSJ3 Goku, but I think SSJ3 Goku would own Gotenks in a fight. Gotenks has a lot of raw power, he just can't use it properly because he's inexperienced, rash and dangerously over confident. He's just a child, after all. |
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| BattleMetal | Jul 4 2009, 01:20 AM Post #14 |
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Mmm? Everyone was amazed at his power yes but i think that was more for someone of his age having attained such great power so early. Z reactions are often over the top. Nah i dont think SS Gotenks is more powerful than SS3 Goku, id be open to Gotenks SS3 but not SS. Still like you said he is a fusion warrior so if he is it is in unusual circumstances. Vegito was vastly more powerful than Goku SS3 as a SS2 however this was thanks to two extreme fighters who lived to outdo each other and where opposites couple that with the Pottara fusion. You didnt say this but i thought i would just because he does surpass Goku easily despite appearing in a lesser form unlike Gotenks. Think we went off-topic on this one. Meh as long as anyone reading this is clearer in their views. This list is from single form warriors then. No fusions and only in their strongest state. 1) Gohan (Mystic: fan term) 2) Goku (SS3) 3) Kid Buu 4) Vegeta (ss2) 5) Fat Buu 6) Cell (Super Perfect; he doesnt count as a fusion i think???) 7) Trunks (Ultra Ascended SS thing where goes Hulkish) 8) Dabura 9) Android 16 10) Android 17 11) Android 18 12) Kid Trunks (SS) 13) Goten (SS) 14) Android 19 15) Android 20 (Dr.Gero) 16) Frieza (Cyborg: we never get to see 150% but i dont think he would rate compared to a SS or Androids) |
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| Tenshinku | Jul 4 2009, 04:19 AM Post #15 |
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Wasn't gotenks about to finish Super buu off until his super saiyan 03 enrgy ran out? Based on that I say that gotenks is a little stronger then super buu. This is very debatable. |
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